I’m normally pretty solidly anti-death penalty, but I have a disturbing fantasy brewing. I want to see those three dudes tied up and let those three women go at them with baseball bats. Leave the genitals exposed.
Hooray! It’s a good time to bring up death penalty on NW. This is a splendid example of how wrong the anti-death penalty pwogwessive camp is. The anti-DP position can be simply boiled down: “Oh, but all souls are precious in the Lord’s eyes, because Jesus loves all persons equally; ergo, killing these three misguided gentlemen just because they temporarily made this mistake and strayed from the path of righteousness, is morally equivalent to murdering innocent babies.” As pwoggies too often do, it willfully fails to make a critical distinction–in this case, between killing egregiously guilty, morally heinous people, and killing innocent ones. There actually is a difference, and when you think about it, we don’t kill enough of the first category.
BTW – I didn’t suck so much at Buddhism tonight – which probably means I really did. The teacher (different one) brought up an interesting point about hate. He said the Buddha’s thing was that you don’t have to love everyone, you just have to not hate them. I immediately thought of the kidnapper(s). I hate the fucker(s). (now the cops are saying the owner of the house acted alone without the knowledge of his two brothers which I find awfully hard to believe)
The only way I can not hate those fuckers is to think about something else entirely. Spock, yeah that’ll do. Can’t wait to see the new flick.
Ah, begemotya. Why do you always hold back on what you really think?
There’s another reason to question the value of the death penalty than just the ‘souls are precious’ argument. Maybe it’s not strong enough punishment? Sometimes rotting in jail for a few decades might be a little harder to take don’t you think?
OTOH, the DP is mostly for the victims of such heinous crimes. Seems they should get a little input. If I was Amanda Berry or one of the others I might sleep a little better at night knowing nightmare daddy was no longer a resident of this world in any capacity.
Begemotya, if I felt like the court system worked at all, I might agree with you, maybe, though it’s doubtful. But currently, justice is a commodity; for the unlucky 99%, it’s a roll of the dice whether justice is served. Until we get a Minority Report system that actually works (unlikely), I do not accept the ability of the state to justly mete out death.
Tom Hayden’s DNA project, the one that freed several hundred wrongly-imprisoned ‘murderers’ and ‘rapists’, is the perfect argument against the death penalty. As emotionally-satisfying as putting Castro to death might seem, I’m unwilling to agree to put up with a few innocent lives as collateral damage. And neither should you.
Think about those black men convicted and put on death row in that cracker county in Mississippi, the one where the judge and the cops basically all agreed that a few less black people was worth a little nudge to the system. Falsified evidence cases are fucking everywhere these days. Hell, Mitt Romney could have you put to death pretty easily, if you ruffled his feathers.
The DP is an antiquated concept. It is far better to allow a few to live out their lives in an environment that lets them contemplate their miserable existence than to wrongly kill innocent people. I defer to the golden rule principle and ask, “would you feel the death penalty was justified if you were wrongly accused and convicted and sentenced to death and/or if one of your loved ones were accused wrongly with you and also condemned to death?” Perhaps remembering the Nazi concentration camps, the old Soviet gulags, the Khmer Rouge, etc. and putting them in context of false justice and false accusations might help understand the scope of how the concept of a death penalty – even under and actually especially under corrupt pretexts – can spread.